If he didn't care what he was called, why insist on "Judge"? Especially since he wasn't actually a judge anyway, but only served ONCE in an emergency situation. I do like the idea of referring to him from this point forward as Jackass J.F Rutherford. He said it... and apparently he didn't care. Although with the temper we all know he had, I don't think calling him jackass Rutherford would have gone over too well for a bethelite.
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Jackass?
by Marvin Shilmer injudge or jackass?.
today i added a new article to my blog highlighting a comment made by joseph f. rutherford of himself.
i invite readers to make their own assessment.
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2013 DC new releases - rumors ???
by obarac inthere is rumors that in this years dc nwt will be released and also new tracts.
any other rumors about new releases?.
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New NWT - John 1:1 - In the beginning was Michael, and Michael was with God, and Michael was an angel.
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John the Baptist beheaded on Herod's birthday. Why?
by leaving_quietly init was in this week's bible reading.
mark 6:21: "but a convenient day came along when herod spread an evening meal on his birthday for his top-ranking men and the military commanders and the foremost ones of galilee.".
look at the various renderings of this verse.
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too much cake?
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Dinosaurs Of Eden
by TD ini saw this at the visiting nurse book sale in february and it was too macabre to pass up.. .
the book is written by ken ham, an australian born, young earth creationist.
briefly, two children go back in time using the bible as their "time machine" and discover that dinosaurs of the entire mesozoic era coexisted with adam and eve:.
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See? This is why people make fun of Christians. Geeze...
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greatest show on earth
by unstopableravens ini wanted to start this thread two weeks ago,however i have had alot going on with wifey and the elders,that is another thread.
to be honest my mind has been on my family.
i will be able to discuss the book tommorow morning.
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I thought you would, cofty. You did agree at one time, though.
I'll pick one sentence. Do you disagree with this one (since you said EVERY single sentence) -
Whether one claims to be atheist or Christian, morals will fail with man.
or this one
You and others have rejected God and His love.
or this one
Appearing in the sky, forcing us to serve Him, and not letting us have a choice is not love.
Were all those sentence you disagree with? Don't you believe that morals are a purely biological evolution that are only based on natural selection, and nothing else? Do you actually believe that we can fully and constantly be good to others without hurting them? All of us, all the time? No? Why? Will we one day evolve enough so that we don't hurt the weak and hurting?
I would like your response on this thread, since we are talking about evolution and how it proves belief in God wrong...
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by unstopableravens ini wanted to start this thread two weeks ago,however i have had alot going on with wifey and the elders,that is another thread.
to be honest my mind has been on my family.
i will be able to discuss the book tommorow morning.
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Considering the abject moral failure of both Israel and the church its a big leap is it not?
Consider the morality of anyone and everyone. Whether one claims to be atheist or Christian, morals will fail with man. This is demonstrated over and over again. The issue is not the moral guidance itself. The issue is humans following it. The guide is perfect. But human nature fights it. Abraham was a polytheist originally. And I see the reason why this would seem beneficial for the ancients. Polytheism promised things immediately. That is why they had a god for every issue. A god of fertility. A god of agriculture. The monotheistic God took a long time according to them. He let Abraham wait YEARS after His promise of a seed, until Sarah became pregnant.
Anyway, it is easy to forget free will. The free will of Israel and certain members of the church do not disprove God. This proves that no matter what our morals are, we are broken. Some would take issue with this. But even they see it, whether they deny it or not. They will be mean to another person, whether they want to be or not. They will do things that they know are "wrong". They will hurt people. Christian or atheist. However, we are given the guide to follow if we want to be happy and free and give that to others. We won't follow it all the time. And Israel and the church are examples of this. Does that make it unnecessary for God to give us His desires? Of course not. Morals are not just an evolutionary impulse. God's law is written on our hearts. We KNOW what is good. We KNOW what God desires for us. Not because we learned it genetically over millions of years. But because we were created that way. We were created to love others. We were created to be concerned with those less fortunate. We were created with a God vaccum in our hearts. Many can and will deny this. But it doesn't make it any less so.
God does not want forced service. He tries to get us to come to Him, but He will not force it. We can choose what we want. How sad would it be to reject God, and then have Him force us to love Him. He doesn't do this. We can choose for ouselves. He has clearly told us what the options are. It is OUR choice. Appearing in the sky, forcing us to serve Him, and not letting us have a choice is not love. And He does not desire this. He lets us choose. Loving based on force is not love anyway. I wouldn't want someone to love me because I forced them to. Neither does God.
You and others have rejected God and His love. That is your choice. And I won't condemn you for it. You say there is no proof. And again, that is your decision. Maybe one day you can tell God (if He exists) that you were not given enough proof. You had no reason to believe in Him. And He will answer you then. Maybe He will agree. Maybe He won't. But my resolve is that it would take more faith for me to believe that there was no cause to a beginning, than to believe in a creator. It sounds much more reasonable to me. And maybe that is delusion. But I don't think it is.
And we will someday either see...or we won't. Either we will die and nothing will happen, or we will die and be looking into God's face, and think..."Oops...", or we will die and be thankful that we were counted as delusional by the wise, yet still had faith.
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greatest show on earth
by unstopableravens ini wanted to start this thread two weeks ago,however i have had alot going on with wifey and the elders,that is another thread.
to be honest my mind has been on my family.
i will be able to discuss the book tommorow morning.
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Here are two more good ones from Ard Lewis:
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greatest show on earth
by unstopableravens ini wanted to start this thread two weeks ago,however i have had alot going on with wifey and the elders,that is another thread.
to be honest my mind has been on my family.
i will be able to discuss the book tommorow morning.
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Theism answers the cause for the effect. Atheism does not. For atheism, there was either no cause, or this universe is one of an infinite number, and thus is able to avoid confronting any beginning cause, or what happened before the beginning.
Most of my disagreements are how he applies certain scriptures. He thinks that Christianity is the best answer, but just one answer of many that are true. A lot of post modernism that I don't subscribe to. Everything cannot be true, especially when they are diametrically opposed to each other. But the evidence he presents is good and his showing that there has always been a bridge between science and religion is fascinating. One has to understand the context in which the Bible was written and stop taking it literally. It was written by a non scientific community explaining how to understand the universe. It was never meant to explain things scientifically. But to help them understand who they were, why they were, and what they would become. It was written to illustrate these things, and not to give a purely historic account all the time. The Jews would have read much of Genesis very differently than the Biblical literalist today.
Along the same lines, biologos has done some great work in this area as well. My understandings actually follow much closer to biologos than to Dowd.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGtVjQfqddY&playnext=1&list=PLD793F2EA9AE2FDA4&feature=results_video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3uUAgyJfNo
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greatest show on earth
by unstopableravens ini wanted to start this thread two weeks ago,however i have had alot going on with wifey and the elders,that is another thread.
to be honest my mind has been on my family.
i will be able to discuss the book tommorow morning.
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Here's a shorter inverview with him, cofty. The above first video is a 20 min overview, not hours long. I still disagree with much of Dowds conclusions, but it is a fascinating perspective:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJD4he4Bnms
His view is that an understanding of evolution strengthens belief in God. It answers the big question of beginnings, which atheism cannot answer. There was no cause to the effect of the singularity. The only event to not have a cause... But theism answers this difficulty.
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greatest show on earth
by unstopableravens ini wanted to start this thread two weeks ago,however i have had alot going on with wifey and the elders,that is another thread.
to be honest my mind has been on my family.
i will be able to discuss the book tommorow morning.
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Hey guys, I have been absent here for quite a while, and I have a lot of opinions (some the contradict even myself!) of this book. I really enjoyed reading it.
It lead me to read another book about the subject, and I was even more impressed with it that the "Greatest Show". I disagree with many of Dowds points, but they are compelling and fascinating.
Here it is:
http://thankgodforevolution.com/book
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyPw0N8DDiE&list=PL2CC315D735686A51